Thread: What has happened to education?

. Children are not neccesarily different. The things I felt, feared, enjoyed at age 11 are still, pretty well, the same. The difference is that I had limits. I didn't go about trumpeting my "rights" and people didn't give a flip about my self-esteem if it meant seeking my own level and doing what I wanted all the time.

I guess I qualify as an "old timer." I believe they we ALL ought to be more respecful of one another, that we ALL need to follow the rules and/or guidelines and that when we don't there ARE consequences. Now whether that means a swat with a paddle or a week of no telephone or grounding until age 35...that is not up to me, as a teacher. That should come from somewhere else. Parents ARE the first teachers, whether they want to acknowledge that or not. So many don't seem to have the time or the inclination. As others have said, it then falls (like it or not and I DON'T like it) to others in "authority" to deal with the situation.

Originally Posted by wag

Originally Posted by Mathematical Mary

My point here is that they are not learning how to act from their parents and you are suggesting that we don't try to teach it to them for fear that they will bring a gun and mow us down. Friend, that is NOT why I became a teacher and I'll NOT give up on them.

I agree with you. It is sad when we have to do what parents should have done in regards to teaching respect, good manners, etc. But when it is not done at home, it DOES become our job and we cannot avoid doing it out of fear. If we abdicate our responsibility as teachers along with the parents who have done the same thing, who is left to teach, to be role models, etc? What will become of our society. It really CAN get worse.

PS: I would never strike a student so please do not interpret the above to mean that. But to ignore it wouold not be possible.

Ok! I am TOTALLY confused!! I am quoting a post that no longer exists which was a reply to another post (actually two posts) and it seems as if JohnBoy's is also missing? I thought that there was an very good discussion happening. Did I miss something?

Originally Posted by wag

Ok! I am TOTALLY confused!! I am quoting a post that no longer exists which was a reply to another post (actually two posts) and it seems as if JohnBoy's is also missing? I thought that there was an very good discussion happening. Did I miss something?

OH Thank goodness! I'm glad I'm not alone here. I could have sworn there was more here earlier when I checked. I thought I was going nuts! (not that it takes much for me to feel that way these days :? )

My posts were offending some so I thought it best if they were removed. Another brought some critisizm and I deleted all of them. I didn't re-post for weeks and perhaps I just need to moderate and keep my opinions to myself.

sorry.

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Those were posts by some of our regular, active members that were deleted. Members whose opinions I personally value. I read them and did not see any offense or harm intended. Directness, yes, but not offense.

Tom: Disagreeing does not mean that it was offensive. I was not fond of the first one you posted in that thread, but I did not remove it, and I am also a moderator. I saw nothing wrong with Mathematical Mary's or JohnBoy's response to your second one. Did you just miss my post? Because I quoted MM. I am sure that if Lucy felt that your post was offensive, she would have asked you to either edit or remove it.

To be honest with you, I find it more offensive that you keep removing your posts and apparently any that reply to you. You have much to share with us. Just because we don't always agree with you does not mean that your opinion is not valid. Your post generated a good discussion and now you have deprived others of reading and joining in.

Please think carefully before removing posts. The ones you removed, including yours, are those of respected members of this community.

To wag:

Let me clearify. I thought that MINE was seen as offensive and thought it would be better if the subject were dropped.
Bitsy, if you will check your e-mail, you will know why.

sorry if this, too, has offended .... sigh.....

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My posts were offending some

Not me- I bear you no animosity for not thinking the way I think. You have a right not to, and a right to say so. A discussion board with no discussion would be pointless, and for my part, that is all I saw occuring. If, on the other hand, you saw anything I said as a personal attack, I am sorry, for I did not intend it so.

Originally Posted by Tom (Houston)

To wag:

Let me clearify. I thought that MINE was seen as offensive and thought it would be better if the subject were dropped.
Bitsy, if you will check your e-mail, you will know why.

sorry if this, too, has offended .... sigh.....

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Tom, I was sincere in my final statement that it was not a personal attack. I viewed your post as an opportunity to open discussion and that is all. I bear you no ill will either. Please don't remove posts. Your participation is valued, even if we don't agree.

Discussions such as these are the "bread and butter" of intellectual banter.